Dear E-watchman, what is your understanding of 1 Corinthians 13:8-13? Paul indicates that the miraculous gifts would stop but that they would stop only when that which is "complete" arrives, a time which he defines with statements about seeing Christ "face to face" and knowing Him "accurately even as I am accurately known". This "seeing" and "knowing" is realized only when the anointed are glorified, is it not? How can it be said that this was accomplished when the "complete" Bible arrived? If this is the case then why are the gifts not still in evidence among the anointed today? Is it perhaps because they have been disapproved by God ever since the close of the 1st century? |
The apostles initially believed and taught that Christ would return before the last apostle died. For example, when discussing the heavenly resurrection, Paul included himself among the "we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord." Obviously, though, neither Paul nor any other 1st Century disciple survived until the expected "presence of the Lord." Please recall that as a result of their misunderstanding Jesus' parting words to them, the apostles spread a rumor among the brothers to the affect that John would survive until Christ returned. Years later John set the record straight in the last chapter of John. Ironically, however, as the last surviving apostle, John did see the return of Christ—at least in vision. That's because John was privileged to experience the rapturous revelation vision; which capped the apostolic era, in which the aged apostle interacted with Christ during the Lord's Day. But, the point is that the prophecies seamlessly link the apostolic era with the harvest period of the Lord's Day. So, from Paul's perspective he expected "that which is complete," meaning the full-grown body of Christ, to arrive during his lifetime. And, as pointed out, Christ did arrive, symbolically at least, when he gave the apocalypse to John. Apparently, by that time the gifts of the spirit were already being phased out. It is worth taking note of the fact that Paul did not specifically say that tongues would continue all the way until anointed Christians have a face-to-face meeting with Jesus Christ. He merely said that until such time as we meet him we only have "partial knowledge and we prophecy partially." Obviously, the speaking in tongues and other gifts of the spirit were characteristics of the infant-like Christian congregation. But, even without those gifts the congregation still only had partial knowledge of Christ. That is the point: With or without the gifts of the spirit, Christ's anointed congregation still has not grown up into the full stature of Christ. So, even though speaking in tongues and the gifts of prophesying are no longer in evidence today among true Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses ought to be acutely aware of the fact that our knowledge of the truth and understanding of prophecy is partial and will remain so until Jesus finally arrives and receives his disciples home to himself. |
What will you do If (some say WHEN) you are disfellowshipped? Will you still go to meetings? Will you still preach? What about your friends who feel the same way about you? Will their friendship be conditional, even though they feel the same? We all realize that you need to be true to Jehovah (before an earthly organization), but you're also taking the lead on a topic and people are watching to see how you deal with things. |
No one can really say with any certainty beforehand how they will react to any given trial. But, Jesus forewarned his apostles, and by extension his present day disciples, that "men will expel you from the synagogue." If that is what happens, then that is what some of us must endure for Christ's sake. It seems that we are nearing the day when, as Jesus also foretold: "Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved." The Watchtower interprets Christ's prophecy as applying to the world in general. They point to crime stats and such as an indication of how lawlessness is supposedly increasing and people are becoming more loveless. However, Jesus used the term "lawlessness" in connection with religious hypocrisy. For instance: "Get away from me you workers of lawlessness." Paul also referred to a satanic man of lawlessness that would take over God's temple. So, apparently, the many that will be stumbled and that will hate one another and betray one another, has reference to Christ's own disciples. Soberingly, enduring to the end is not going to be as easy as simply going to meetings and going out in field service. Enduring to the end will require that Jehovah's true witnesses endure the complete breakdown of the organization. We are going to need every ounce of faith we can muster. In recognition of the fact that many of Christ's original disciples were killed by wild beasts in the Roman arenas, and many of Jehovah's modern-day witnesses have likewise suffered intense persecution at the hands of the Nazis and Soviets; we should not suppose that we shall be any better off when Satan actually comes down in a great rage. In comparison to such sufferings, it seems that being disfellowshipped for speaking the truth is a relatively light torture stake to bear. |
In secular law a person is not able to sign a contract unless he is of age, in most areas 18. Jesus was baptized when he was 30, the age that was then recognized as being an adult. Today many underage youths are baptized because of peer pressure or trying to make their parents happy, even parent pressure: ‘Hey little Johnny, your 14 and little Billy just got baptized and he is 10, what is the matter with you?’ Even though elders do their best in trying to find out a child’s heart and knowledge by meeting with the youth prior to baptism, in reality how can a person truly be bound to Jehovah and the Organization by a decision made (a contract signed in essence) when they were 10 years old? |
Those are valid points. The Watchtower has always pointed out how unscriptural and unreasonable the Catholic practice of infant baptism is; yet we practice something similar in pushing our pre-teen children into baptism. Of course, children mature at different rates, but generally it seems that baptizing children should be the exception rather than commonplace, such as it has become. As for whether any pre-mature baptism is valid in God's eyes is ultimately for Jehovah himself to determine. However, baptism is essentially a vow to God. The verse comes to mind at Ecclesiastes that warns us against taking our vows to God lightly—even if the one vowing did so rashly or mistakenly. Ecclesiastes 5:4-6 reads: "Whenever you vow a vow to God, do not hesitate to pay it, for there is no delight in the stupid ones. What you vow, pay. Better is it that you vow not than that you vow and do not pay. Do not allow your mouth to cause your flesh to sin, neither say before the angel that it was a mistake. Why should the true God become indignant on account of your voice and have to wreck the work of your hands?" |
You are a WHORE with the world, it is evident that you have the spirit of SATAN. You are a liar and teach what is bad. Jehovah has chosen and created this organization. You have spoken twisted and crooked things. And believe it or not, you’re an apostate. Prepare to be destroyed. I beseech you to repent! Jehovah works through the Watchtower and that is plain and simple. And just because the Watchtower went to the UN doesn't mean they have broken God's word, since the apostle Paul [also] went to kings for help. Does that make him in the wrong? NO! You are an apostate and Jesus said that his sheep would here his voice and that when they heard a voice of a stranger they would flee and that’s what I'm going to do. You OLD WHORE!!!!!! |
| "Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. Rejoice and leap for joy, since your reward is great in the heavens; for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you." –Jesus Christ |